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	<title>Comments on: New MDC feedback</title>
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		<title>By: sheppy</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/07/05/new-mdc-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-82431</link>
		<dc:creator>sheppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:02:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The feedback about the new MDC is taking place on the mozilla.dev-mdc newsgroup.

As for why we switched to MindTouch Deki, we did so primarily because MediaWiki is a hassle for us to maintain, and we think that over time, the WYSIWYG editor offered by Deki is likely to increase contributions to our codebase.

I think over the next few months as we expand what we&#039;re doing with Deki&#039;s capabilities, more people will see the advantages and understand better why we chose to make the switch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The feedback about the new MDC is taking place on the mozilla.dev-mdc newsgroup.</p>
<p>As for why we switched to MindTouch Deki, we did so primarily because MediaWiki is a hassle for us to maintain, and we think that over time, the WYSIWYG editor offered by Deki is likely to increase contributions to our codebase.</p>
<p>I think over the next few months as we expand what we&#8217;re doing with Deki&#8217;s capabilities, more people will see the advantages and understand better why we chose to make the switch.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron Fulkerson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron Fulkerson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 03:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@skierpage

Obviously I&#039;m biased. I&#039;m from MindTouch. But I&#039;ll try to be as objective as I can. I can not agree with your assertion that MediaWiki syntax won. I do not believe any wikitext is a winner. XHTML/CSS wins. MindTouch Deki stores and operates on XHTML. This is the only approach that makes sense. Also, if you work with MediaWiki&#039;s codebase you&#039;ll quickly realize it&#039;s a snarl of spaghetti. Extending that codebase is painful. Simply put, it&#039;s brittle. MediaWiki has difficulty innovating because any minor change has sweeping ramifications across many millions of pages of content and they&#039;re storing in plaintext (wikitext) and have evolved from a old codebase that was not implemented as an extensible platform. 

I suspect some may find these statements an affront to the wonderful people who maintain MediaWiki. It absolutely is not. They&#039;re wonderful smart people who are doing great work. Keeping Wikipedia running is a herculean endeavor. However, MindTouch Deki is an obvious choice for folks to upgrade MediaWiki to because: http://mindtouch.com/Technology 

Here is a conversation at Dr. Dobbs with Shaver about the selection of MindTouch Deki: http://www.ddj.com/web-development/207600577</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@skierpage</p>
<p>Obviously I&#8217;m biased. I&#8217;m from MindTouch. But I&#8217;ll try to be as objective as I can. I can not agree with your assertion that MediaWiki syntax won. I do not believe any wikitext is a winner. XHTML/CSS wins. MindTouch Deki stores and operates on XHTML. This is the only approach that makes sense. Also, if you work with MediaWiki&#8217;s codebase you&#8217;ll quickly realize it&#8217;s a snarl of spaghetti. Extending that codebase is painful. Simply put, it&#8217;s brittle. MediaWiki has difficulty innovating because any minor change has sweeping ramifications across many millions of pages of content and they&#8217;re storing in plaintext (wikitext) and have evolved from a old codebase that was not implemented as an extensible platform. </p>
<p>I suspect some may find these statements an affront to the wonderful people who maintain MediaWiki. It absolutely is not. They&#8217;re wonderful smart people who are doing great work. Keeping Wikipedia running is a herculean endeavor. However, MindTouch Deki is an obvious choice for folks to upgrade MediaWiki to because: <a href="http://mindtouch.com/Technology" rel="nofollow">http://mindtouch.com/Technology</a> </p>
<p>Here is a conversation at Dr. Dobbs with Shaver about the selection of MindTouch Deki: <a href="http://www.ddj.com/web-development/207600577" rel="nofollow">http://www.ddj.com/web-development/207600577</a></p>
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		<title>By: skierpage</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/07/05/new-mdc-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-82429</link>
		<dc:creator>skierpage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 21:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t find the post motivating the switch to MindTouch Deki.

I just found support.mozilla.com is using &lt;em&gt;yet another&lt;/em&gt; wiki, Tikiwiki.  Individually these choices may make sense, but cumulatively &lt;strong&gt;this is ridiculous!&lt;/strong&gt;  MediaWiki syntax won, MediaWiki has the awesome extensions, MediaWiki is friction-free.

Also, can the Mozilla sites implement OpenID and/or single sign-on?  I&#039;ve got half a dozen logins I have to manage across *.mozilla.org and *.mozilla.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t find the post motivating the switch to MindTouch Deki.</p>
<p>I just found support.mozilla.com is using <em>yet another</em> wiki, Tikiwiki.  Individually these choices may make sense, but cumulatively <strong>this is ridiculous!</strong>  MediaWiki syntax won, MediaWiki has the awesome extensions, MediaWiki is friction-free.</p>
<p>Also, can the Mozilla sites implement OpenID and/or single sign-on?  I&#8217;ve got half a dozen logins I have to manage across *.mozilla.org and *.mozilla.com.</p>
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		<title>By: LouCypher</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/07/05/new-mdc-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-82428</link>
		<dc:creator>LouCypher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 18:17:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Neil: it&#039;s on MDC mailing list or Google group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Neil: it&#8217;s on MDC mailing list or Google group.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Rashbrook</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/07/05/new-mdc-feedback/comment-page-1/#comment-82427</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Rashbrook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:28:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this feedback publicly available somewhere?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this feedback publicly available somewhere?</p>
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		<title>By: Justin Dolske</title>
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		<dc:creator>Justin Dolske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Still seems like the text is a too-light shade of gray.</description>
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