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	<title>Comments on: Firefox 3.1 documentation: Media queries</title>
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	<description>Bits on the rampage: Eric Shepherd's blog.</description>
	<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jan 2009 11:53:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: sheppy</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82832</link>
		<dc:creator>sheppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 16:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The remaining issues have been address, except the one that requires a note to the working group, which I'll be taking care of next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The remaining issues have been address, except the one that requires a note to the working group, which I&#8217;ll be taking care of next.</p>
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		<title>By: sheppy</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82831</link>
		<dc:creator>sheppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Oct 2008 12:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've addressed most of the issues listed in these comments, except for the ones that require engineers to explain how Firefox works internally.  I'll update with that information once I have it.  Thanks for the great feedback!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve addressed most of the issues listed in these comments, except for the ones that require engineers to explain how Firefox works internally.  I&#8217;ll update with that information once I have it.  Thanks for the great feedback!</p>
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		<title>By: Jens</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82830</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:43:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The “scan” property is listed as accepting a [length] value, but that makes no sense. The article should list the allowed values, one of them (judging from the example) being "progressive".

(Originally, I wrote "length" with the greater than/less than signs, but the blog ate the "tag". How about a preview mode so I could have been warned before posting the comment?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The “scan” property is listed as accepting a [length] value, but that makes no sense. The article should list the allowed values, one of them (judging from the example) being &#8220;progressive&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Originally, I wrote &#8220;length&#8221; with the greater than/less than signs, but the blog ate the &#8220;tag&#8221;. How about a preview mode so I could have been warned before posting the comment?)</p>
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		<title>By: Gc</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82825</link>
		<dc:creator>Gc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[try value types bug again using &#38;lt; and &#38;gt;]

bugs: ‘value:’ field is often incorrectly given value type . For example,
color and monochrome value types are &#60;integer&#62;, not &#60;length&#62;;
device-aspect-ratio value type is &#60;integer&#62; / &#60;integer&#62;, not &#60;length&#62;;
resolution value type is &#60;resolution&#62;, not &#60;length&#62;;
scan value type is progressive &#124; interlaced, not &#60;length&#62;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[try value types bug again using &amp;lt; and &amp;gt;]</p>
<p>bugs: ‘value:’ field is often incorrectly given value type . For example,<br />
color and monochrome value types are &lt;integer&gt;, not &lt;length&gt;;<br />
device-aspect-ratio value type is &lt;integer&gt; / &lt;integer&gt;, not &lt;length&gt;;<br />
resolution value type is &lt;resolution&gt;, not &lt;length&gt;;<br />
scan value type is progressive | interlaced, not &lt;length&gt;.</p>
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		<title>By: Gc</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82824</link>
		<dc:creator>Gc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[try last part again, wordpress elided link element examples above]

specification bug: min is “greater than or equal to” and max is “less than or equal to” so there is no way to specify two exclusive ranges that abut. For example, if a page has
&#60;link rel="stylesheet" media="(max-device-aspect-ratio: 1/1)" href="portrait.css"&#62;
&#60;link rel="stylesheet" media="(min-device-aspect-ratio: 1/1)" href="landscape.css"&#62;
In this case, a square media device should load both.
(An unnecessary download. Order in page specifies which prevails.)
But if instead the page has
&#60;link rel="stylesheet" media="(max-device-aspect-ratio: 10/10)" href="portrait.css"&#62;
&#60;link rel="stylesheet" media="(min-device-aspect-ratio: 11/10)" href="landscape.css"&#62;
In this case a printer containing paperstock card with print area 2500/2400 pixels would fall between and load neither. You can make the gap smaller by using higher numbers like 100/100 and 101/100, but can’t eliminate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[try last part again, wordpress elided link element examples above]</p>
<p>specification bug: min is “greater than or equal to” and max is “less than or equal to” so there is no way to specify two exclusive ranges that abut. For example, if a page has<br />
&lt;link rel=&#8221;stylesheet&#8221; media=&#8221;(max-device-aspect-ratio: 1/1)&#8221; href=&#8221;portrait.css&#8221;&gt;<br />
&lt;link rel=&#8221;stylesheet&#8221; media=&#8221;(min-device-aspect-ratio: 1/1)&#8221; href=&#8221;landscape.css&#8221;&gt;<br />
In this case, a square media device should load both.<br />
(An unnecessary download. Order in page specifies which prevails.)<br />
But if instead the page has<br />
&lt;link rel=&#8221;stylesheet&#8221; media=&#8221;(max-device-aspect-ratio: 10/10)&#8221; href=&#8221;portrait.css&#8221;&gt;<br />
&lt;link rel=&#8221;stylesheet&#8221; media=&#8221;(min-device-aspect-ratio: 11/10)&#8221; href=&#8221;landscape.css&#8221;&gt;<br />
In this case a printer containing paperstock card with print area 2500/2400 pixels would fall between and load neither. You can make the gap smaller by using higher numbers like 100/100 and 101/100, but can’t eliminate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Gc</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82822</link>
		<dc:creator>Gc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bug: 'media' is not a media_type, so the example "media and not(color)" is not valid.

bugs: 'value:' field is often incorrectly given value type .  For example, 
  color and monochrome value types are , not ;
  device-aspect-ratio value type is  / , not ; 
  resolution value type is , not ; 
  scan value type is progressive &#124; interlaced, not .

bug: does not explain media_type values, nor gives a link to the spec implemented (is it css 2.1§7 ?)

bug: this page does not specify how Firefox or Gecko (to include Fennec) implements this specification.  For example, I assume it uses the 'screen' media type for computer screen output, and 'print' for printer output.  
  Does it ignore all the rest? 
  Does Firefox use 'projection' or 'tv' media type if it is in full screen mode?
  Does Fennec use 'handheld' media type in preference to 'screen'?  
  Does Firefox use 'handheld' media type on handheld tablets (how can I tell Firefox to do so?)
For width and height: does Gecko recompute the applicable media styles (width height) if I resize the window or pane?


specification bug: min is "greater than or equal to" and max is "less than or equal to" so there is no way to specify two exclusive ranges that abut.  For example, if a page has


In this case, a square media device should load both.   
(An unnecessary download. Order in page specifies which prevails.)
But if instead the page has


In this case a paperstock card with print area 2500/2400 pixels would fall between and load neither.  You can make the gap smaller by using higher numbers like 100/100 and 101/100, but can't eliminate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bug: &#8216;media&#8217; is not a media_type, so the example &#8220;media and not(color)&#8221; is not valid.</p>
<p>bugs: &#8216;value:&#8217; field is often incorrectly given value type .  For example,<br />
  color and monochrome value types are , not ;<br />
  device-aspect-ratio value type is  / , not ;<br />
  resolution value type is , not ;<br />
  scan value type is progressive | interlaced, not .</p>
<p>bug: does not explain media_type values, nor gives a link to the spec implemented (is it css 2.1§7 ?)</p>
<p>bug: this page does not specify how Firefox or Gecko (to include Fennec) implements this specification.  For example, I assume it uses the &#8217;screen&#8217; media type for computer screen output, and &#8216;print&#8217; for printer output.<br />
  Does it ignore all the rest?<br />
  Does Firefox use &#8216;projection&#8217; or &#8216;tv&#8217; media type if it is in full screen mode?<br />
  Does Fennec use &#8216;handheld&#8217; media type in preference to &#8217;screen&#8217;?<br />
  Does Firefox use &#8216;handheld&#8217; media type on handheld tablets (how can I tell Firefox to do so?)<br />
For width and height: does Gecko recompute the applicable media styles (width height) if I resize the window or pane?</p>
<p>specification bug: min is &#8220;greater than or equal to&#8221; and max is &#8220;less than or equal to&#8221; so there is no way to specify two exclusive ranges that abut.  For example, if a page has</p>
<p>In this case, a square media device should load both.<br />
(An unnecessary download. Order in page specifies which prevails.)<br />
But if instead the page has</p>
<p>In this case a paperstock card with print area 2500/2400 pixels would fall between and load neither.  You can make the gap smaller by using higher numbers like 100/100 and 101/100, but can&#8217;t eliminate it.</p>
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		<title>By: sheppy</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82819</link>
		<dc:creator>sheppy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:38:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jens --

Not sure what you mean; "progressive" is used to query if the device is progressive scan.  Is there a particular reason you think that's incorrect?  It's used as an example in the specification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jens &#8211;</p>
<p>Not sure what you mean; &#8220;progressive&#8221; is used to query if the device is progressive scan.  Is there a particular reason you think that&#8217;s incorrect?  It&#8217;s used as an example in the specification.</p>
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		<title>By: Jens</title>
		<link>http://www.bitstampede.com/2008/10/09/firefox-31-documentation-media-queries/comment-page-1/#comment-82818</link>
		<dc:creator>Jens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 05:14:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The "scan" property is listed as accepting a  value, but the example uses the value "progressive". Copy-paste-leftover?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;scan&#8221; property is listed as accepting a  value, but the example uses the value &#8220;progressive&#8221;. Copy-paste-leftover?</p>
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